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Follow-on Exercises for the Brain Fitness Program?
Are there any plans for follow-on exercises for the Brain Fitness program. I am halfway through the first time and am already thinking I might like to do this again a few months after I have finished. I noticed someone saying that they were on their 3rd run but didn't do the Story section as they remembered both the stories and the answers. I think a lot of people would pay for replacement story sections, for instance.
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I'm actually replying to the point about the animations. Perhaps I'm getting cranky at 69, but I find them exceedingly annoying. Couldn't you reward us with some really beautiful scene from an exotic place? something adult? Another question: Is there any way to practice skills we are weak in without going through a whole lesson?
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I agree that Posit Science is not a commercial product, although they do market to special target groups. As I said earlier, I would welcome a follow-up program. Although designed for seniors, I am someone who suffered a serious brain injury in 2004 and have been working with the program for 3 plus years. No cognitive therapist could have helped me rewire brain or allow new pathways to take over as this program has done. This program really exercises my brain, even though not designed for brain injuries. It has worked miracles for me. I go back to those areas where I difficulty, and I continue to improve. I just wished that there wasn't a record kept where we could follow our progress on the auditory program.
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I have completed 36 sessions in my first run of the basic auditory program. I did, however, finish the story section about five sessions ago. I found the story part of the program to require the utmost in sustained, focused attention and concentration; and, I really enjoyed it. I would be very interested in further story programs, as part of my plan to continue using the whole program to maintain and enhance gains that I think that I have made in cognitive functioning thus far.
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I also wonder if we could get new animations. I get a bit tired of seeing the same cartoons over and over. I am doing the BFP classic for the second time. Great program - it has really helped me a lot.
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Inappropriate?I’m glad to know that you are planning to continue using the Brain Fitness Program. Most people continue to see improvements 3 or 4 times through the program. You may also be interested in moving to our visual program InSight, which offers 5 new visual exercises. InSight helps us process and remember information that comes through our eyes. Click here to get more information on taking that as your next step in brain fitness.
If you have more questions feel free to call us at 1-866-599-6463 or comment on this post.
P.S. Thanks for your suggestion on offering additional segments for Story Teller. I have changed this topic into an “Idea” to help make it more visible to our Product Development team.
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Inappropriate?I am now doing the original Brain Fitness Program for the 4th time -- I try to do it every six months. I agree with Richard's idea, new stories would be welcomed. I am happy you've made the suggestion. Although I've completed the Insight program once and enjoy it and will do it again, the auditory program remains my favorite. - Patricia TIlton
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Inappropriate?Patricia thanks for your comment, we have another thread on the site discussing more stories in Brain Fitness Program located here .
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Inappropriate?I think it is the third tome that I am doing the Brain Fitness program. Although I still am not doing to well on the high-low exercises, also on distinguishing between, say, baa - daa or she - cheh, etc., I think I have profited a lot with respect to understanding. I noticed this recently when listening to the introductory DVD of posit science, with all the wonderful people involved with the program, that I could understand much better what each said. It is a wonderful program I have said this before. In a certain sense a life saver, since within a month I'll be 88 yrs old. Thank you!
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Inappropriate?Thanks for raising attention to usefullness & availability of program for repeated uses. I had wondered that, and tentatively planned on repeated sequences through the exercises.
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Inappropriate?I like Richard's idea and hope the company follows through in developing new stories.1 Comment Add a comment
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Inappropriate?Hi again - Just want to share a new free game that we released yesterday. We'd love to hear your feedback. Here's the link to the announcement: http://support.positscience.com/posit...
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I've had a go at it. Great game and a good way to get people used to to the whole adaptive nature of the Posit Science exercises.
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Inappropriate?We are 58 and 60 yrs. old and we love the idea of staying young at heart and brain, body and spirit. On! On! AnSally and Slats
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Inappropriate?To extend Richard's idea:
1. new tasks could be added.
2. detailed feedback for incorrect answers provided, eg wrong answer statistics and characteristics.
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Inappropriate?I also wonder if we could get new animations. I get a bit tired of seeing the same cartoons over and over. I am doing the BFP classic for the second time. Great program - it has really helped me a lot.
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I just skip the animations, although I wonder if the pause is supposed to refresh, and enhance the brain configuration modification - that's one I'd like to ask the scientists!
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Inappropriate?Hi everyone - another FYI - What started out as an interesting discussion about volume control and auditory rewards in this similar thread (http://support.positscience.com/posit...) is evolving into a general discussion with our developers about how to make the program more customizable in the future. You might be interested in following this one as well.
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Inappropriate?I agree that additional exercises would be very attractive. Randomizing components of individual steps would help but expandingthe scope of the process would have the greatest benefit.
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Inappropriate?I also plan to, hope to, expect to repeat many of the exercises in future times/days.
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Inappropriate?I like your idea, Richard. I know the stories almost my heart and would like some different ones. Mary Provencio
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Inappropriate?Yes, I agree Richard has made a good point.
I can't say I know all the stories off by heart, though I'm on my third round. However, I do remember quite a lot and I think story teller is probably the weakest part of the Classic Program if you repeat it. All the other sections, it seems to me, are not much easier because one feels that they have been made harder. The key factor, I think, is the level of concentration required by the exercise. It's the act of concentration that is vital because outside of these exercises, I doubt many of us really concentrate hard. I don't sweat any more or collapse on the bed for a two hour sleep as I did on the first day. But I still have to concentrate quite intensely and I'm sure that's what makes me feel good. MRL -
Inappropriate?I have completed 36 sessions in my first run of the basic auditory program. I did, however, finish the story section about five sessions ago. I found the story part of the program to require the utmost in sustained, focused attention and concentration; and, I really enjoyed it. I would be very interested in further story programs, as part of my plan to continue using the whole program to maintain and enhance gains that I think that I have made in cognitive functioning thus far.
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Inappropriate?You should be able to purchase upgrades to the program to keep it fresh and challenging.
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Frankly I think the commercialisation of this entire project has been a very retrograde step. I came to Posit-Science after reading Doidge's book. At the time the website was much more user friendly in my view. This comment box is a perfect example of fixing things that weren't broken - but now are. if writing in two line boxes were more efficient than the traditional space wouldn't people be already doing that. But the control implicit in this 'upgrade' heaven help us, smacks of marketing big time. Once Doidge and PS became more widely known the project has been seized by marketers and the usual pressure to buy new, 'up' grade etc is going full blast. I am now resorting to the spam box for PS stuff. That's sad. Scientists don't make new discoveries every day at afternoon tea while they're eating king size up and upper-grade muffins, with more uprades to come and half you pay packet being filched to pay for them. Even babies don't ask for new dummies every day. It's their silly mothers that foist on them. I'd suggest that people concentrate on their exercises - they do work very well - and repeat them intermittently. If they leave it long enough the exercises will seem new. And appreciate what has gone into the research that brought the PS project into an open forum. I am grateful to the scientists and to those people who have expounded clearly on the research but to the marketers and those people who are addicted to novelty on an hourly basis - I give the finger. M. R. Liverani
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Inappropriate?The program is a considerable investment. I agree that there should be some followup upgrade to keep achieving what the program vendors claim that the program does.2 Comments Add a comment
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Frankly I think the commercialisation of this entire project has been a very retrograde step. I came to Posit-Science after reading Doidge's book. Since I first started reading the forums and occasionally replying to them it seems to that marketeers have taken it over from the scientists and the pressure now is on to satisfy the marketplace. This may be a response to the huge outpouring of 'brain exercises' that have appeared in the past few years and I've found it difficult to get across to friends the importance of the research that led to posit-science. Now it's just another game struggling for recognition in a multitude of products. a lot of the complaints are superficial and infantile in my view from people who don't really appreciate the logic and the outcomes but constantly want novelty, new sounds, new images - my God, do they ever emerge from inside a tv box. Moreover i detest the website. it's a mix-mash.. Look at this comment box. What improvement over the old one is it, I'd like to know. Most of all what does an 'upgrade' involve. Do they think scientists are coming up with new concepts and theories every other day? Just keep repeating the exercises. They work. You don't have to do them continually, only intermittently and then they will seem new again - or nearly so. if you spent more time doing the bloody things instead of moaning on the web, you'd get more out of posit-science. What you've got the thing to now is 'spam'. The market's pushing P-S so hard its communications are now going into my junk mail box. M.R.Liverani
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This is the best response I've heard.... Posit Science is NOTa commercial product. I keep going back to the areas that I do not score so high on; it helps.
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Inappropriate?I would be happy to invest in a follow-up program. The BIG investment is not just buying the program--it's the time and effort to do it, to make progress, to gain abilities. You don't want to lose that....
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Inappropriate?I agree that Posit Science is not a commercial product, although they do market to special target groups. As I said earlier, I would welcome a follow-up program. Although designed for seniors, I am someone who suffered a serious brain injury in 2004 and have been working with the program for 3 plus years. No cognitive therapist could have helped me rewire brain or allow new pathways to take over as this program has done. This program really exercises my brain, even though not designed for brain injuries. It has worked miracles for me. I go back to those areas where I difficulty, and I continue to improve. I just wished that there wasn't a record kept where we could follow our progress on the auditory program.
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Your story brings to mind that great book by Norman Doidge, MD "The Brain that Changes Itself. with subtitle "Stories of Personal Triumph from the Frontiers of Brain Science"
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Inappropriate?I also had a injury to my head (with subsequent internal bad results), and feel like portions of my re-enabled 'thinking' is a result of the exercises done with the Brain Fitness program. No specific scientifically based examples, but I seem to think as I did before the injury.
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Inappropriate?I'm actually replying to the point about the animations. Perhaps I'm getting cranky at 69, but I find them exceedingly annoying. Couldn't you reward us with some really beautiful scene from an exotic place? something adult? Another question: Is there any way to practice skills we are weak in without going through a whole lesson?
Thanks.
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Hi Bassoff - Thanks for the feedback. As we continue to develop our products with more "game-like" features, I can assure you the graphics will become more "adult". When the BFP was launched, we weren't focused as much on game elements, rather we were focused on creating an effective system for converting scientific findings into user friendly software.
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Inappropriate?As old as I am, while having many interests, for the time being I am perfectly happy with as well BFP and InSight!
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Inappropriate?I have finished BFP for the first round and am now enjoying Insight. The benefits and self-knowledge that accrued from BFP were remarkable and I cannot but support Richard's idea for a follow-up. I find the games on the website a definite plus - but those cannot replace the structured approach of the BFP program. What would be great would be a "program update" consisting of new themes, stories and graphics for folks wanting to do 3rd and more repeats. These programs are really making an impact on my way of life!!
I’m watching these developments with happy expectations!
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Inappropriate?I'm on my second time with BF2.0 and would like to compare all aspects of my performances over time. Would the company consider making score and reports more easily accessible than via a single screen shot? I find myself repeating an exercise just to get a second look and the summary and detailed information screens at the end. Would like access to reports similar to those for Insight for BF2.0.
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